tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post6934905737555962942..comments2024-03-26T12:05:16.393+00:00Comments on Are You Tasting the Pith?: Craft Will Eat ItselfZakAveryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01794154105596597019noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-73300546108477052192010-10-02T09:06:43.698+01:002010-10-02T09:06:43.698+01:00Chris K - I don't know how you become a connoi...Chris K - I don't know how you become a connoisseur, but I think I may know how you become a "connoisseur". (-;Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-36939856102288031322010-09-30T23:33:20.810+01:002010-09-30T23:33:20.810+01:00Zak - haha, I see what you did there!
On a seriou...Zak - haha, I see what you did there!<br /><br />On a serious note my day job consists of PPC, SEO, ECRM, CPC, CTR, CVR, ECVR, CCVR, QS, AOV, ROAS, PPU. I know how confusing that is to people who don't do digital marketing and I have a feeling that the average beer drinker reading blogs ain't gonna feel too welcome when confronted with GBBF, PBA, IPA, TBN, TGS, SNPA...<br /> <br />blah blah boring hypocritical rant over (or BBBHRO if you prefer, LOL).Mark, Real-Ale-Reviews.comhttp://real-ale-reviews.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-7264355502878374632010-09-30T07:18:48.847+01:002010-09-30T07:18:48.847+01:00Maybe I'm limiting myself too much....Maybe I'm limiting myself too much....pdtnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18218008176728946551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-71370137968418399772010-09-29T21:22:25.787+01:002010-09-29T21:22:25.787+01:00Mark RAR - I can't live without the odd TLA (t...Mark RAR - I can't live without the odd TLA (three letter acronym)<br /><br />pdtnc - to be fair, you are a brewer though, aren't you?! I'm surprised that you would never consider anything but cask - there's plenty of boring and mass-produced cask out there, although in your neck of the woods, also a lot of pubs selling great cask too.ZakAveryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01794154105596597019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-74912685185062419392010-09-29T20:52:14.625+01:002010-09-29T20:52:14.625+01:00lupulin threshold shift
Love it!<i>lupulin threshold shift</i><br /><br />Love it!ChrisMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09088526990457894540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-28983734911486933842010-09-29T20:17:24.800+01:002010-09-29T20:17:24.800+01:00Interesting...
So I am the odd one out!
The vast m...Interesting...<br />So I am the odd one out!<br />The vast majority of beer I now drink is brewed in my garage (the Garage beer report?)<br />A lot of what is on the average Supermarket shelves has long since got boring, though Booths buck that trend mostly with range.<br />I'm not a particularly a big Pub-goer but I do enjoy a good Pub with a selection of Cask Ales.<br />I would hardly ever consider buying a beer dispensed from anything other than a Beer Engine as this mostly keeps me away from drinking some Industrial-Mass-Market-beer 'which is' Followed-by-sheep-due-to-its-commonality-and-ease-of-supply!<br /><br />There, that doesn't really mean much ;)<br /><br />Totally agree with the Good beer - Bad beer thing... still possible to make money selling crap beer, whoever makes it.pdtnchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18218008176728946551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-82217839567352790312010-09-29T15:19:21.488+01:002010-09-29T15:19:21.488+01:00What is a connoisseur, how does one become such a ...What is a connoisseur, how does one become such a thing?<br /><br />If it means I have to turn down a visit to a pub for fear they might not have the right beer on, in the right dispense, then I may reconsider my interest<br /><br />;)Chris Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09803075270046105597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-36236124934278214192010-09-29T11:16:01.277+01:002010-09-29T11:16:01.277+01:00Interesting to read Tandleman's small=quality ...Interesting to read Tandleman's small=quality equation. I'm as guilty as anybody as gunning for the 'cool indies' - its like a lo-fi band that nobody else has heard of.<br />I was going to subhead this post 'All the way hype' but you have to draw the line somewhere..Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11138961094997656322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-65127751575179993062010-09-29T08:51:34.176+01:002010-09-29T08:51:34.176+01:00Hear hear.
One reason for encouraging craft beer...Hear hear. <br /><br />One reason for encouraging craft beer over macro-brewers, even not-so-good craft, is in order to improve diversity. Just like the rainforests diversity is essential to survival, even if it doesn't seem it in the short-term.<br /><br />Good point about people buying brands Tandleman.<br /><br />PS. Beer blogger folk, can we lose some of the acronyms please?!Mark, Real-Ale-Reviews.comhttp://real-ale-reviews.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-79408245798151741652010-09-29T06:29:19.965+01:002010-09-29T06:29:19.965+01:00Des - that's a fair summation. I've been f...Des - that's a fair summation. I've been fairly vocal myself on the practice of casking those big American IPAs just so they can be served at GBBF. In my opinion, they need a bit of chilling and carbonic bite to lift them from being fruity soups, something the brewer no doubt had in mind when he brewed them for keg dispense.<br /><br />Ed - I spent far too long for a suitable image of the Poppies to accompany this.ZakAveryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01794154105596597019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-10435872669541684002010-09-28T23:30:20.765+01:002010-09-28T23:30:20.765+01:00Give me big mac, premium bottled ale to go?Give me big mac, premium bottled ale to go?Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13844169940650659196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-44404975103195832722010-09-28T22:23:02.567+01:002010-09-28T22:23:02.567+01:00Thanks for this, Zak, it's a really good and p...Thanks for this, Zak, it's a really good and perceptive commentary, and I'm tempted to say you should be as cynical as you like! As I said in my own piece on GBBF a couple of months back, the muddy thinking around cask = good in Britain has just about been sustained over the years because in practice the vast majority of good quality, distinctive British beers were cask beers. It's ironic that if that cosy but misleading conflation is now under threat, it's partly due to the influence on a new generation of British brewers from countries which were originally themselves influenced by the real ale movement in the UK.<br /><br />At the same time I can't help but be mildly heartened by the headline figures in Pete's report, since in practical terms the cask market still does seem to be the foundation of quality brewing in this country.Des de Moorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533475300522834830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-67737335635162997772010-09-28T19:19:42.923+01:002010-09-28T19:19:42.923+01:00I must confess that I've not been keeping up w...I must confess that I've not been keeping up with blog reading lately, so I didn't see that Hardknott Dave had written something very similar to this.<br /><br />Curmudgeon - how that report passed me by, I'll never know.<br /><br />Stu - thanks<br /><br />Beer ut - you're right of course, although there's probably a reverse economy of scale involved in being a good micro, in that you don't need to distribute widely in order to sell all that you produce. And I guess if you're good, than people tend to champion you anyway.<br /><br />Cookie - a kind offer, thanks<br /><br />Tandleman - Pete Brown gave a nice little address to the room of industry bigwigs last year when he picked up his writer of the year award. I paraphrase from memory, but he pretty much said what your final paragraph says, adding that given the challenging climate at present, everyone should be pulling together to do their best for beer as a whole.ZakAveryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01794154105596597019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-81379108335377162332010-09-28T18:42:47.783+01:002010-09-28T18:42:47.783+01:00Mudgie - I agree. That's what I said, but they...Mudgie - I agree. That's what I said, but they aren't the top choice of most "connoisseurs".Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-66141008587496014902010-09-28T18:21:54.702+01:002010-09-28T18:21:54.702+01:00I don't have any figures, but I would have tho...I don't have any figures, but I would have thought that the overall cask ale market was dominated by well-known brands such as Pedigree, London Pride, Old Speckled Hen etc, although maybe not to the same degree as the bottled ale market.Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-80066571512208542632010-09-28T18:00:19.673+01:002010-09-28T18:00:19.673+01:00I'll also pick out your point about SNPA and a...I'll also pick out your point about SNPA and applaud. It's very true, and one beer that sometimes gets overlooked in the clamour for the 'next big thing'. And TBN's last comment is EXACTLY why TGS exists.Leighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05512660051158275112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-7082751839885365502010-09-28T17:38:40.612+01:002010-09-28T17:38:40.612+01:00There is always a danger of confusing small with q...There is always a danger of confusing small with quality. It is in the interest of small producers to conflate their production with the word "quality" so that the two become synonymous in the consumer's mind. It is profitable too.It is often not so, hence me (and sensible others)having a mental black list of micro brewers. <br /><br />No matter how encouraging it is to see drinkers trading up from industrial beers,I'm not so sure that the PBA market is either here or there in terms of either objective or subjective quality, as opposed to production quality, which will almost certainly be high. Those that drink PBAs are by and large drinking brands rather than looking for individual brewers of interesting beers, as borne out by the Marston's report. Presumably that is why the big bottled brands sell so well, whereas their cask equivalents, where they exist are nowhere near the top of any beer geek's table, but are the top of everyone else's.<br /><br />I am not so sure that beer appreciation is that difficult, but what is difficult is reading the runes of an industry that is divided, unfocussed and on the whole, unimaginative.Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-55080808311288458922010-09-28T15:19:09.699+01:002010-09-28T15:19:09.699+01:00If you knock up "The Bottle Report", fel...If you knock up "The Bottle Report", fella, I'll throw in a "lout report"Cooking Lagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02830924433230427226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-7112800492439831612010-09-28T14:46:30.956+01:002010-09-28T14:46:30.956+01:00While there isn't, never has been, and shouldn...While there isn't, never has been, and shouldn't be, an automatic correlation between craft beer and good beer there is, I think, something to be said for talking-up the good micros over the good macros. At least if you're a supporter of choice and diversity in your local beer.<br /><br />It's the breweries that don't have the national or international distribution, or the mass-media advertising, <i>and</i> who make good beer, that I'll always go out of my way to highlight wherever I can.The Beer Nuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14105708522526153528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-62230194374686021142010-09-28T14:26:09.097+01:002010-09-28T14:26:09.097+01:00I agree with every point you made there.I agree with every point you made there.crownbrewerstuhttp://www.crownbrewery.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-72277889156220824.post-53521222095376744592010-09-28T14:10:17.528+01:002010-09-28T14:10:17.528+01:00As posted on Hardknott Dave's blog, although o...As posted on Hardknott Dave's blog, although obviously it's produced by Marstons, doesn't this <a href="http://www.marstons.co.uk/news/articles/premiumbottledalereport2009.asp" rel="nofollow">Premium Bottled Ale Report</a> to some extent replicate the Cask Report for its own sector? And isn't Sierra Nevada Pale ale a sub-species of PBA anyway?Curmudgeonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02558747878308766840noreply@blogger.com